(Discussion) Why do you juice?....the hidden reasons - a dive into your psyche

[MONSTRO]

Bodybuilding is addicted like many other thinks in life like gambling , games. Is a great addiction when you do it for health not when you compete ( any sport at competition level are not the healthiest think) .
Bodybuilders are selfish people, with all the time focus in diet, training, rest, prep food and almost no time to relax. Its hard to said that but if your goal is to be the best in something you have to put all your focus there and nothing else. So to be the perfect bodybuilder you need to be like a cave man ( live for bodybuilding ).

Why do you think Kuwait athletes got results? like Brandon Curyy

[MattDamon47]

I love to train. Anything that allows me to do that harder and get more out of it is good to me. I come from being an athlete to a heroin addict to bodybuilding. It allows me to have a purpose for all hours of my day and to separate myself from the pack. Training is my anti drug.

Good for you bro. I've noticed bodybuilding/weightlifting in general is a very popular outlet for people with a history of addiction.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but hear me out. The following is only my theory/opinion and may not be accurate so feel free to keep me honest if I'm wrong...

So anyways, I've always believed that addiction is wired into certain people. It's a personality trait in my opinion. What they get addicted to depends on what grabs ahold of them first. Drugs, sex, gambling, etc. are all the easiest to get hooked on so often you hear more about that. However, even if an addict gets clean from whatever they are addicted to, they are still an addict and still need something to be addicted to. Doesn't necessarily have to be what they were originally addicted to, they just need something to obsess over to escape from normal life. Once the physical addiction is gone, the psychological addiction that got them there in the first place is still alive. That's why people often relapse because once they are clean they sit around and try to be normal when their addictive personality just wants to do something to escape. That's why I believe the best thing for an addict is another (healthy) addiction. Something else to help them escape the monotony of everyday life and make them feel alive. I think that's why you see a lot of addicts transitioning to the bodybuilding lifestyle because you absolutely have to be somewhat of an addict to maintain this lifestyle. The amount of time it consumes and the amount of energy put into it requires an unnatural amount of obsession which is perfect for addicts who need something to obsess over.

Would you say my theory is accurate?

Yeah I would say so. I got addicted to painkillers after a moto accident. Not from the pain but because I was living in an abusive household with a correctional officer step dad. Once I couldn't get an actual script you seek out dealers. Then all of a sudden you could find pain pills on the street anymore and every dealer you called had heroin. I refused at first but I was sick and withdrawing. So I gave in just like house moms I know that took pain killers did. We all did. For the kids taking addderal they turned to meth. Its still a massive problem. I was just one of the lucky ones. But yes if I didn't find something else to be passionate about I would have gone back

[Jozifp103]

I love to train. Anything that allows me to do that harder and get more out of it is good to me. I come from being an athlete to a heroin addict to bodybuilding. It allows me to have a purpose for all hours of my day and to separate myself from the pack. Training is my anti drug.

Good for you bro. I've noticed bodybuilding/weightlifting in general is a very popular outlet for people with a history of addiction.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but hear me out. The following is only my theory/opinion and may not be accurate so feel free to keep me honest if I'm wrong...

So anyways, I've always believed that addiction is wired into certain people. It's a personality trait in my opinion. What they get addicted to depends on what grabs ahold of them first. Drugs, sex, gambling, etc. are all the easiest to get hooked on so often you hear more about that. However, even if an addict gets clean from whatever they are addicted to, they are still an addict and still need something to be addicted to. Doesn't necessarily have to be what they were originally addicted to, they just need something to obsess over to escape from normal life. Once the physical addiction is gone, the psychological addiction that got them there in the first place is still alive. That's why people often relapse because once they are clean they sit around and try to be normal when their addictive personality just wants to do something to escape. That's why I believe the best thing for an addict is another (healthy) addiction. Something else to help them escape the monotony of everyday life and make them feel alive. I think that's why you see a lot of addicts transitioning to the bodybuilding lifestyle because you absolutely have to be somewhat of an addict to maintain this lifestyle. The amount of time it consumes and the amount of energy put into it requires an unnatural amount of obsession which is perfect for addicts who need something to obsess over.

Would you say my theory is accurate?

Yeah I would say so. I got addicted to painkillers after a moto accident. Not from the pain but because I was living in an abusive household with a correctional officer step dad. Once I couldn't get an actual script you seek out dealers. Then all of a sudden you could find pain pills on the street anymore and every dealer you called had heroin. I refused at first but I was sick and withdrawing. So I gave in just like house moms I know that took pain killers did. We all did. For the kids taking addderal they turned to meth. Its still a massive problem. I was just one of the lucky ones. But yes if I didn't find something else to be passionate about I would have gone back

Well I'm glad you found a new passion bro. I truly hope you succeed in it and it becomes your new permanent addiction. I have kind of a long story that relates to this if you or anyone else feels like reading a novel lol...

So I met a kid at the gym several years ago who was about 23. He noticed that I was one of the bigger guys there so naturally that attracts certain people. He approached me and asked generic questions about my training, diet, etc and we ended up being gym buddies. However his attendance was very spotty and he would often flake out on me. Then I remember one day he texted me and sent me a picture of a watch and asked if I wanted to buy it for $250. I said no thanks I don't need a watch. Then the kid fuckin blew up on me like I was a giant piece of shit for not wanting to buy his shitty used watch for $250 bucks. Being that I lived with a sister who was an addict I knew the behaviors and I started to have suspicions that this kid was into something. He seemed to always have car issues so I'd often give him rides since I lived 3 minutes away. It was the times when I saw him outside of the gym that I knew he was using. It was that look, that unmistakable look of someone high on opiates. Anyone who's lived with an opiate addict knows this look. I'm not talking about the obvious look of someone who's completely strung out, I'm talking the look of someone who's high, but functionally high because they are around people. It's that lifeless look in their eyes that you can't really describe, you just have to see it to understand. It's subtle and most people who haven't been around it wouldn't pick up on it but for me I could see it a mile away. The pin point pupils, the lifeless stare like they are looking right through your soul, and the slight change in their voice. Their speech gets just a little softer than usual and just a little bit slower. I knew 99.99% that he was using. I chose not to bring it up because 1.) I know that trying to talk to addicts about this stuff is pointless because they will just lie and say whatever they have to to get you off their back. 2.) God forbid the .01% chance I was wrong.

Turns out I was right. About a year later he OD'd and survived (heroin). He was fine after but ended up going away to a half way house across the country for about a year. He had no access to a cell phone during this time so I didn't hear from him. When he got home he texted me out of the blue and said "I'm home...let's go lift." When I saw him he looked amazing. The halfway house apparently had a nice gym and he put on like 20 lbs of healthy weight and had some solid muscle on him. We trained together for the next year and this kid had pretty good genetics because he just kept putting on muscle and seemed to not gain an ounce of fat. During this year though he had a few relapses that I can recall. He made them seem like no big deal and every time I tried to talk to him about it he'd brush it off like "It's fine bro I just fucked up I'm not gonna do it again."

Anyways after about the third relapse he seemed to really be motivated to stay off the junk. He started weening off his Suboxone rapidly with his doctors guidance because he was tired of it slowing him down especially in the gym. He seemed to be 100% about bodybuilding now. He had the genetics to do really well and he was making great gains but the Suboxone kept slowing him down. He knew I was on gear so during this time when he was weening off everything he asked me about it. I was surprised it took him this long to bring it up. After several long talks and educating him I decided he was ready. He was 25 and had at least 3 solid years of consistent training that I knew of plus probably a couple more years before I knew him. He had a very solid base and quite honestly I really wanted to see what this kid could do with his body on AAS. I'll admit there were some selfish reasons behind this as well but he just had such good genetics I had to see what he could do. So I hooked him up with PSL and over the next year he pulled a complete 180. He looked and felt great, stayed out of trouble, got off everything Suboxone and all, got a decent job, and seemed genuinely happy. He would call me sometimes at 3,4,5 in the morning just to tell me he got laid by a smokeshow. I was always happy to hear from him at this point. We'd talk for hours about lifting, girls, work, and just life in general. When I'd see him his face had a new glow to it. He loved being in the gym and was thriving on this newfound confidence he had. He was slaying women left and right and ended up meeting a very nice girl who he ended up remaining loyal to and they got pretty serious. I'll never forget the text I got at 5am when I was at the gym before work. He was raving about this girl and how it's the first girl he actually had to work to sleep with. How she's smart, has a good job, is independent, etc etc. Kid was high on life.

One evening he called me and asked if I had any Dbol to spare. I said sure come on by. So he shows up with one of his buddies whom I've never met, which I wasn't thrilled with considering the transaction taking place. His buddy was driving and told me to just get in the car and we'll do a quick loop. So during this car ride I was examining his friend. Seemed like a typical scumbag and I suspected he was one of his old friends that he hung around with when he was using. After they dropped me off he texted me apologizing for his friend being so obnoxious and said don't worry he's a good kid....

Well that was the last time I saw him. He OD'd and died that night with his friend who survived. I've never been so pissed off in my life. Yes I was sad but honestly I wanted to find his friend and put a bullet in his head. All the time I invested in him and all the progress he made was ruined because that one fucking waste of oxygen had to pressure him into relapsing. After all the talks we had about how good everything was going for him and how happy he was. One mistake is all it takes.

That's my story. I hope anyone else in the same boat can continue to stay on the right path.

[Jozifp103]

Anyone else want to share? What got you into gear? What is the cause for your need to be so big?

[MONSTRO]

Why i dream to be huge and freak? because i born to small and skinny and always the smallest in my school , so i always said one day i will be different and people will look at me with respect and jealous.
I suffer alot in school
And i said now im nobody but one day i will put my name in this world and be recognized as someone that do all to reach is dreams .

Always believe

[Cmarsh828]

New guy here. Stumbled across this forum during some research. 36 now and always been a big dude, fit regardless of the beer belly , played sports and the list goes on . Over the years just felt tired and always thought about trying it and decided to do it. Had a couple guys who cycling long term cruises and/or blasting and asked questions throughout the process. Was on a 8 week blast with 500mg sus250 and nothing else. Took to it like a champ and so did my nips and E2 lol.

Def learned a lot through a good network and reading forums. Currently on 100mg a week due to traveling for work. Didn’t feel like carrying all my pins so loaded a few slim pins for the road. Def want to experiment with some other compounds but not going to lie, I’m a little scared.

You get out of if what u out into it. The ladies def loved what I got out of it. Must of been the quarantine keeping them all pent up. The wife just shruggs now when people stop and ask about lifting. Funny thing I’m not necessarily much bigger than I was before. Muscles just look dense.

[Jozifp103]

New guy here. Stumbled across this forum during some research. 36 now and always been a big dude, fit regardless of the beer belly , played sports and the list goes on . Over the years just felt tired and always thought about trying it and decided to do it. Had a couple guys who cycling long term cruises and/or blasting and asked questions throughout the process. Was on a 8 week blast with 500mg sus250 and nothing else. Took to it like a champ and so did my nips and E2 lol.

Def learned a lot through a good network and reading forums. Currently on 100mg a week due to traveling for work. Didn’t feel like carrying all my pins so loaded a few slim pins for the road. Def want to experiment with some other compounds but not going to lie, I’m a little scared.

You get out of if what u out into it. The ladies def loved what I got out of it. Must of been the quarantine keeping them all pent up. The wife just shruggs now when people stop and ask about lifting. Funny thing I’m not necessarily much bigger than I was before. Muscles just look dense.

First off welcome to the community brother. Happy to have you.

Also, thanks for sharing bro. Not everyone's reason for juicing is so deep-seated. Some people were just strong and athletic to begin with and wanted to take it to the next level such as yourself. Sometimes it really is that simple.

You're in the right place to learn and get guidance if you decide to dive into other compounds. We're all here to help.

[Vision]

the follow up question is, why do we continually juice and will we ever stop?

[MONSTRO]

We all know natural you will only achieve a regional amateur mens physique shape ( shreded but skinny) and most of us need a bigger body . And this is only possible with anabolics , and when you start using it you dont stop because you know you will lose alot of the gains ( thats why most people dont do PCT now days ). And after alot of years using it straight you will prefer to use a TRT dose for the rest of your life instead of stop ( not just to keep size but mostly to be healthier with energy , sex drive, mood ).

Like i always said : "when you IN you never go OUT"

[Jozifp103]

the follow up question is, why do we continually juice and will we ever stop?

I'm sure everyone will reach a point in their lives where they will simply start to shift their focus on other things. It will most likely be age-related and start with dialing back dosage and training intensity...then it will eventually lead to just staying in shape and TRT. I don't think I'll ever TRULY stop. I plan to pin till the day I die even if it's just a TRT dose. The last thing I want to do is fall back into the category of average. I want to be the leanest, meanest, strongest, most jacked, horniest old man in the nursing home.