Hey guys so in have pre existing gyno and have to really push the a.is hard to keep it under control which I know is horrible for you. So instead I want to add in nolva since it will simply block the receptors on the glands instead of lowering my estrogen across the board. Ill probably still use a low dose a.I but I'm currently having to take 12.5 miligrams daily of aromasin to control just 200mgs of test. I have bloods coming soon but I'm sure the a.I is jacking up my ldl and hdl. My question is nolva seems to have a pretty long half life. Like multiple days. Should I still dose it daily or like 3 times a week. W
ould 10 mgs be sufficient? I know ill have to just do some tests and find the best course just looking for some direction from people who have done this. Thanks!

MattDamon47 wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:33 pm Hey guys so in have pre existing gyno and have to really push the a.is hard to keep it under control which I know is horrible for you. So instead I want to add in nolva since it will simply block the receptors on the glands instead of lowering my estrogen across the board. Ill probably still use a low dose a.I but I'm currently having to take 12.5 miligrams daily of aromasin to control just 200mgs of test. I have bloods coming soon but I'm sure the a.I is jacking up my ldl and hdl. My question is nolva seems to have a pretty long half life. Like multiple days. Should I still dose it daily or like 3 times a week. W
ould 10 mgs be sufficient? I know ill have to just do some tests and find the best course just looking for some direction from people who have done this. Thanks!

If you know your super gyno prone like I am on certain compounds like tren. If I’m running 200mg tren I need caber or nolvadex right away. I usually run it EOD. Everyone is different in this case so you kind of have to play around with dosing and pull blood work when you can to really dial it in.

MattDamon47 wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:33 pm Hey guys so in have pre existing gyno and have to really push the a.is hard to keep it under control which I know is horrible for you. So instead I want to add in nolva since it will simply block the receptors on the glands instead of lowering my estrogen across the board. Ill probably still use a low dose a.I but I'm currently having to take 12.5 miligrams daily of aromasin to control just 200mgs of test. I have bloods coming soon but I'm sure the a.I is jacking up my ldl and hdl. My question is nolva seems to have a pretty long half life. Like multiple days. Should I still dose it daily or like 3 times a week. W
ould 10 mgs be sufficient? I know ill have to just do some tests and find the best course just looking for some direction from people who have done this. Thanks!

The issue you're having right now is the protocol in which you implement..
You can take as many inhibitors as you want, the issue is not the estrogen that is in circulation, the issue is how prone you are at your estrogen receptors.. a lot of people misunderstand that the sensitivity has to do with the estrogen conversion, this is partially correct,the rest of the true underlying facts is actually how your body reacts to any amount of estrogen in circulation.

You need to Target the glandular duct issue, directly targeting the estrogen receptor.
Taking tamoxifen is one of two drugs that will block the estrogen receptor, regardless of your estrogen circulation blocking the receptor is what you want to achieve, Target Target Target..

It is true that a lot of people possess a higher amount of aromatase enzymes, and this could begin the process of estrogen related side effects however it truly comes down to the true sensitivity on the individual user themselves.. I've seen people that naturally had gyno and they were not overweight they were normal everyday individuals.. they particularly and genetically had a predisposition in which their glandular duct issue and other estrogen receptors we're extremely hyper sensitive..

This becomes an orphan syndrome type disorder,people start taking all sorts of cocktails doing whatever they can with the cat chasing a mouse game.. you can chase the circulation numbers all day long and in the end it's going to achieve very little...

I would suggest taking a strong dosage of tamoxifen at 60mg every day for two weeks, lower that dosage to 40mg every day for two weeks, then lower the dosage to 20mg every day for an additional week, cut your dosage and a half to 10mg every other day.. you can stay at that maintenance dosage for the remainder of your cycle or your blast..

However in the background always have a continuous intake with your AI, it does not have to be aggressive. I personally would substitute and your AI and use arimidex, the half-life is longer and its effects are much longer lasting, you can use . 5 every 3 or 4 days..
That in fact may even be a bit aggressive and you can stress that out at almost every 5 days..
Take your AI test injection, this way by the time you're blood serums cMax levels you will already be achieving some inhibitor reaction, however it takes at least 2 weeks for AI's to really show a significant difference with the existing estrogen circulation, however it can initially Target any new formulating enzymes..

Thanks that's exactly what I was thinking. I dont think it That's i have a lot of conversion going on its just that I already have gyno so I have to crush my E2 otherwise they hurt. I just got my nolva and arimidex.I'm gonna try just .5 twice a week of arimidex and start at 20mgs of nolva. If I no longer get nipple pain ill dial back the a.I first and see were I'm at. If I'm good ill give it a bit and try and reduce the nolva to 10 mgs daily or eod and see how I feel. I want to find the lowest effective dose so I know for sure I can cruise at 200 so if later I want to bump my test to say 400 I can use a slightly higher a.I and serm protocol. I'm hoping to get surgery by the end of the year. Oh and I have caber for when I start the deca on sat.

MattDamon47 wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 1:35 am Thanks that's exactly what I was thinking. I dont think it That's i have a lot of conversion going on its just that I already have gyno so I have to crush my E2 otherwise they hurt. I just got my nolva and arimidex.I'm gonna try just .5 twice a week of arimidex and start at 20mgs of nolva. If I no longer get nipple pain ill dial back the a.I first and see were I'm at. If I'm good ill give it a bit and try and reduce the nolva to 10 mgs daily or eod and see how I feel. I want to find the lowest effective dose so I know for sure I can cruise at 200 so if later I want to bump my test to say 400 I can use a slightly higher a.I and serm protocol. I'm hoping to get surgery by the end of the year. Oh and I have caber for when I start the deca on sat.

Crushing your estrogen would do absolutely nothing because even having natural amount endogenous estrogen you could still be acceptable with issues.. it has nothing to do with circulation and it has everything to do with the sensitivity after ER's, unfortunately you're that guy.. unfortunately I'm that guy as well, no matter what you're always going to have that issue.. what you need to do is reduce the inflammation and the agitation, tamoxifen will help reduce the inflammation, and once the inflammation is reduced you'll have a lesser chance I'm having a flare up if you keep your estrogen under control.. don't worry about your PR's quite yet because they can only be activated by way of the estrogen conversion first, by the initiation at the estrogen receptors.. just Target the estrogen receptors for now and everything else will follow suit.. think of your granular duck tissue like a sprained ankle.. what would you do to reduce inflammation? This is all about treating the inflammation and nothing to do with circulation.. there is protocols that are regurgitated throughout the internet panels where guys are using aggressive AI's proclaiming that it cured there instance or other people's, when in reality it has nothing to do with that targeting tissue..

In the future before every cycle or blast whatever you do be proactive with tamoxifen.. do not wait until you notice any symptoms, always treat it in advance .

This is great information that you only have in this forum . Most foruns tell you lies , like tamoxifen is old school and we dont use ( they said only use anti estrigen like adex, axemestano or letro) , and tamox reduce igf 30%.
the last one is truth at higher dosages.
But for all athletes that have gland in is always the best choice to control estrogen only there and leave other estrogen to help grow ( so is the best option during bulking ).

Vision do you think 10mg is enough during bulking ?

So far so good. I'm taking 20 mgs of nolva at the moment and so far no tenderness and I stopped the aromasin 3 days ago. If I continue not getting gyno sides ill attempt to lower it to ten. But if I do get signs again ill ad in the arimidex twice a week at .5 and keep in the nolva. And that would be a good drop in dose from the a.I so I can get more of the benefits of higher estro without it effecting my gyno. Plus it will be healthier because a.i's destroy lipids.

In my opinion Tamox is enough to control estro in gland , so why use arimidex mostly if you are bulking and you need estrogen to keep growing . Adex, Exe, and letro will kill your lipids profile , use only in prep or to reduce extreme bloat.

Just wanted to give an update. So far so good. Continued at
20mgs nolva daily
.5 arimidex twice a week
.5 caber twice a week

Gyno is already bad. Saving for surgery but at least its not getting worse. Still on my current cycle
250 test
250 deca
20mgs of tbol daily. Just started. So far no sides so going to bump it up to 40 for the next 6 weeks.

I'm thinking of upping the test to 500mgs perhaps soon. Ill see how the increased tbol dosage effects me. I should see much better gains now that the gyms just opened. But if I'm not gaining like I want then ill bump the test up. Orr should I bump up the deca instead?

MattDamon47 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:59 am Just wanted to give an update. So far so good. Continued at
20mgs nolva daily
.5 arimidex twice a week
.5 caber twice a week

Gyno is already bad. Saving for surgery but at least its not getting worse. Still on my current cycle
250 test
250 deca
20mgs of tbol daily. Just started. So far no sides so going to bump it up to 40 for the next 6 weeks.

I'm thinking of upping the test to 500mgs perhaps soon. Ill see how the increased tbol dosage effects me. I should see much better gains now that the gyms just opened. But if I'm not gaining like I want then ill bump the test up. Orr should I bump up the deca instead?

Right on thanks for the update bro. I've been silently following since everyone already gave good advice. Glad things are working out. If you end up needing something stronger than Nolva, Raloxifene is probably the best SERM for gyno protection. It seems like Nolva is doing just fine though.