We all know test is the base of any cycle mostly if your goal is to grow . The ideal dosages are 750mg to 1250mg because over this you will have more sides than results, unless you have HGH in your blood. Is this real?

If yes HGH is a must and most important drug to be pro athlete? Because if you dont use hgh you cant go over 1gr of test per week without getting floppy / soft . And using 1gr you will never be a 300lb bodybuilder .

If the anabolics like deca is not worthless to go over 1gr , and orals like drol is not good go over 200mg , you have to increase the test to achieve the mgs anabolics week to reach the level of pro bodybuilder.

Yes some people use high deca or tren and less test , is better for sides but you will not grow the same. Is great option when you dont use hgh . I done in the past high tren super low test and i get shreded but small .

Tren for taller bodybuild or shorter with long limbs without hgh or strong orals insulin provides flat look and it’s very hard to grow as tren needs carbs which if to low you look even flatter

Best thing high test oral combo dbol drol or superdrol hgh insulin eq deca low tren for optimal growth bigger glycogen water stored inside muscle better joints and workouts.