In the past when some athlete achieve 300lb is something out of this world and not easy to achieve, now even small bone and average genetics athlete achieve it easy . We see Antoine Vaillant and Regan Grimes in kuwait achieve in off season and now Nick Walker a 5,7ft almost achieve to.
What is the secret weapon of athletes today to achieve those level of growth, if in the 90´s they have much better quality gear ( pharma grade) and hgh from cadavers so strong and increlex IGF .
What they use today to get so huge? is Peptides? Sarms? or just more HGH and insulin and much more test dosages?

life in general has changed.
for everyone, not just for BBs.

also look at the legs of today's footballers compared to 50 years ago.

starting from food, from the knowledge we have today about what works best, up to what you mentioned.
peptides, hgh, slin, etc. etc. dosages and people who go further.

Evolution (although very slow these days).


I also disagree that in the 90's there were better quality steroids.
it is one thing if we talk about the rampant scammers of today.
but the drugs, the real ones, those of the pharmaceutical companies and the established ugl are better today in 2020 or were they better 30-50 years ago?

everything has improved compared to the past. as mentioned the more time passes the more we learn and the more we improve.

Jozifp103 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:24 pm Well the introduction of the HGH/Insulin combo into bodybuilding really changed the standard on size and mass. Guys nowadays are like 50% bigger than back in the golden days before HGH and Insulin were utilized. I'm also convinced that elite bodybuilders have access to experimental drugs and/or hard to find/afford drugs that the average Joe couldn't get his hands on. Like pharmaceutical IGF-1, LEGIT myostatin inhibitors, experimental prototype shit etc.

I have also been convinced that some top level boys have their needs taken care of from people in the industry, these boys are being genetic freaks on a level that is unprecedented, and could never be achieved by the average person regardless of their diet, AAS and training.. I believe hands down these boys are given myo inhibs, they are treated like a thoroughbred horse champion horse that makes lots of money for networks globally..

Vision wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:26 pm

Jozifp103 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:24 pm Well the introduction of the HGH/Insulin combo into bodybuilding really changed the standard on size and mass. Guys nowadays are like 50% bigger than back in the golden days before HGH and Insulin were utilized. I'm also convinced that elite bodybuilders have access to experimental drugs and/or hard to find/afford drugs that the average Joe couldn't get his hands on. Like pharmaceutical IGF-1, LEGIT myostatin inhibitors, experimental prototype shit etc.

I have also been convinced that some top level boys have their needs taken care of from people in the industry, these boys are being genetic freaks on a level that is unprecedented, and could never be achieved by the average person regardless of their diet, AAS and training.. I believe hands down these boys are given myo inhibs, they are treated like a thoroughbred horse champion horse that makes lots of money for networks globally..

I tend to agree. The only question I have is....what would people in the industry have to gain by giving these bodybuilders drugs? It's not like the bodybuilders can give them a shout-out or be sponsored by them like they would with a supplement company. So what would be the motivation to take that risk to provide these guys with these drugs?

Jozifp103 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:31 pm

Vision wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:26 pm

Jozifp103 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:24 pm Well the introduction of the HGH/Insulin combo into bodybuilding really changed the standard on size and mass. Guys nowadays are like 50% bigger than back in the golden days before HGH and Insulin were utilized. I'm also convinced that elite bodybuilders have access to experimental drugs and/or hard to find/afford drugs that the average Joe couldn't get his hands on. Like pharmaceutical IGF-1, LEGIT myostatin inhibitors, experimental prototype shit etc.

I have also been convinced that some top level boys have their needs taken care of from people in the industry, these boys are being genetic freaks on a level that is unprecedented, and could never be achieved by the average person regardless of their diet, AAS and training.. I believe hands down these boys are given myo inhibs, they are treated like a thoroughbred horse champion horse that makes lots of money for networks globally..

I tend to agree. The only question I have is....what would people in the industry have to gain by giving these bodybuilders drugs? It's not like the bodybuilders can give them a shout-out or be sponsored by them like they would with a supplement company. So what would be the motivation to take that risk to provide these guys with these drugs?

science and progress.
They have human guinea pigs that they can experiment with.
Today's discoveries are tomorrow's medicines and the money then comes.

Of course they use and know something we will only know 5 years later. Of course im using 10ius hgh and think is great dose but this freaks use maybe over 50ius day

If i sleep all day i cant imagine they :lol: :lol: :lol: