People try to tell always that food is the most important part to grow to another level, but lets be clear if i use 4gr week gear and eat 5000 calories the top pro that uses 12gr week should be eating 15000 calories to keep growing???????? But what i see is top pros using over 10gr gear week and eating less or the same as me . I eat 400gr rice per meal and most of them dont go over 300gr ( Regan Grimes, Brandon Curry, Phil Heath ) .

So the secret of being big is not food but super high quality gear at super high dosages

food is necessary, but it must be conveyed to the right place.

At some point, without the right dose of steroids, hgh and above all insulin (the real "secret" of today's BB) you cannot grow with food alone. without training and drugs you just get fat.

moreover, the androgen receptors do not downregulate, on the contrary, the more they are stressed, the more they multiply.
so, "yes" is the answer to your question.

I do believe using higher dosages to get more size, in theory, will work, but is it really worth the health risk. This is a bad topic to start especially for the younger generation to read.

If your an actual competitor and you have potential maybe this is an avenue you may want to cross, if not you're just wasting your time and money.

Keep it safe, keep it Healthy. God Bless

well, of course if we put other considerations in the middle such as health or even money, risks, genetics (that count a lot on the final result), etc. then things get complicated.

but the thread is quite specific and not to be taken as advice on what to do, it is a mere consideration of the effect of these products.

Monstro, correct if I'm wrong.

yes Phil the idea is to understand how the pros go to that level because knowlage is power and im here to learn , and try to said to all beginners they do that to earn is money but is not healthier or even a good option .
Remenber most of them have health issues and 90% are broken ( no money )
The idea is to tell is impossible for us achieve the level of our idols , because we have no genetics , and off course such amount of money to go to that level . No one can affort that ( imagine 20ius hgh per day is over 1200 dollars ) PER MONTH .
Thats why i always said im agains competing because you lose alot of money and put your health on risk . I begin competing in 2018 because Wabba gives price money and all the competitions i done i earn at least 400 euros . Im bodybuilder but at same time sales manager

Lets be smart

Phill wrote: ↑Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:18 am food is necessary, but it must be conveyed to the right place.

At some point, without the right dose of steroids, hgh and above all insulin (the real "secret" of today's BB) you cannot grow with food alone. without training and drugs you just get fat.

moreover, the androgen receptors do not downregulate, on the contrary, the more they are stressed, the more they multiply.
so, "yes" is the answer to your question.

I've been advocating this for years, I've even posted a very long winded read about the androgen receptors, it's all information that I have collected, that can be verified and is well documented along with my interpretation and other thoughts about the topic. I was fortunate enough to have a lot of people agree with my approach and my own personal thoughts, it was refreshing that there was a lot of like-minded people out there and with that being said I also have learned a lot from what they had to say in addition. in regards to high dosages, I'm a firm believer that people are better off doing high dosages of one particular agent while using moderate dosages of another because there will become a point of cancellation..

let's consider all of these compounds are athletes in a race.

we are now at the start line is everyone

the athletes have one more chance to bend over and tie their laces nice and tight, they stand up in excitement and anticipation of giving their best performance.

BANG!!!!!!!!

NOW WE JUST HEARD THE START OF THE RACE..

Each racer is outperforming other particular racers, as they stride attempting to reach the same goal, to be the winner, the cross to finish line.. ultimately one racer does and they now become the winner of the race, only they receive the trophy as their hand is raised..
Why this analogy and what am I comparing this to? I'm comparing this with the analogy of these racers being hormones regardless of their ratios whether it's anabolic or androgenic, there will be one winner that will occupy the finish line the finish line represents the androgen receptor. Other racers may cross but they will not be dominant and they may only make their signature that they were in the race..

When they laced up and they set off they had the same intentions.

The same will go for many hormones a very selected few will have dominance but the beauty of this they may not affect the androgen directly at the site but there is different mechanisms of action that are mediated by other methods of growth, we all know nitrogen balance and the increase with protein synthesis, we also are aware of nutrition partitioning, we are also aware of the direct result of targeting adipose tissue the list goes on and on.. this is where using one compound to heavily occupy the androgen receptor without the influence of other ones having to struggle for the race..
I have personally used testosterone and bold both at high dosages but independently, I don't speak about this often but I have used testosterone at slightly 2k
. I felt like an absolute beast, a bulldozer nothing has came near how I felt but it came out of cost and I would never do it again for longer than 10 weeks...

I've also used very high dosages close to 2250 of bold, please do not repeat this because I do not like the criticism it's not worth hearing, but I will say it became a different drug once I passed 1500 it became something of magic, this is truly one of those drugs that need to be ran at high dosages..back in the '90s we would use this from the veterinarian grade we would not need much at all in fact probably 50 x 4 weekly was more than we needed on the firm believer that quality has diminished with real material these days..
if anybody has the opportunity to run this at extremely high dosages but very little to low testosterone I promise you the returns will be of something you have never seen before. But do not openly speak about it

Vision wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 1:23 am ..
if anybody has the opportunity to run this at extremely high dosages but very little to low testosterone I promise you the returns will be of something you have never seen before. But do not openly speak about it

This!

I absolutely have to reschedule a 2021 with (a lot of) boldenone ... (and not tell anyone)

So Vision what you try to tell is going high on compunds only with low test to have the full effects of the compound ?
In past i have used 1400mg tren ace week with 250mg test or less and got crazy condition yes , but lose my fullness and size.
Witch is the best option?

Low test + high anabolics?
Low anabolics + high test?
Or both high?

MONSTRO wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:44 pm So Vision what you try to tell is going high on compunds only with low test to have the full effects of the compound ?
In past i have used 1400mg tren ace week with 250mg test or less and got crazy condition yes , but lose my fullness and size.
Witch is the best option?

Low test + high anabolics?
Low anabolics + high test?
Or both high?

This is such an amazing question and I think this is the question that everybody searches far and wide for..

It is ultimately the practice of rotation with applying either one or the other, we cannot continuously apply the same exact practice over and over again expecting greater returns at one point there will become diminishing returns. this will go from anything whether it's training or dieting or our daily supplementation intake.. the same would go for peds, rotation and the ratios is extremely important this will help last past any mental or physical fatigue or other brick walls that we find ourselves up against.

Deloading not only with our training but compounds is extremely important, and returning back with a different approach for shock value..

If the goal is ultimately to acquire an enormous amount of muscle mass, people need to prioritize the difference between what is ideal and what can be maintained and how fast can it be achieved verse breaking it down not week by week or month by month, but rather looking at this by years..

It takes a lot of these pros years to achieve the amount of muscle mass that they have. People can gain enormous amounts of weight and what would be considered record-breaking time, but the quality of that weight how much is that equivalent to real lean muscle versus fluid (sarcoplasma-induced hypertrophy) that has been introduced by supplementation and training, this type of weight and muscle volume can diminish rather quickly.

Ultimately the goal is to put on as much weight as possible long term. And the majority of instances where the goal was to acquire as much weight, strength and Mass in a short duration, almost all of these instances individuals experience a significant loss once the regiment or protocol has been discontinued or scale down.

Everything boils down to instinctive training, instinctive diet and instinctive usage.

When people speak to some of these pros regardless of their level whether they are professional bodybuilders, or retired athlete that have been in this lifestyle for a long time, the one thing that they will tell you that they are super proud of is that it took them a long time to achieve what they have.

Real/solid muscle takes time to get it. Thats why i always said after a bulking never go directely to a cutting and you will lose all you gain. Instead take time in those gains and make them solid gains with time .

Vision your real opinion on high test + low anabolics vs low test + high anabolics ?